Mortuary Outreach for 'Raising the Dead'?!?

Does your church have a mortuary outreach that is dedicated to raising people from the dead? This is not a joke. Seriously, does your church send 'ministry teams' to mortuaries in order to raise dead corpses back to life?

Here is video from Extreme Prophetic (one of the groups that Todd Bentley hangs with) telling stories about their 'mortuary outreach'.

HT: DefCon

Comments

[Kairos]

This is absolute insanity. How can anyone with half a brain take these people seriously?

[Jenn]

Are... you... serious...?!?!?!
Oh goodness, this is getting worse and worse, and what makes it disgusting is that people are following this OVER the Word of God, which backs up NONE OF THIS! Violent spirit? Definitely not in the Bible!? Man, come Judgment Day, these people are going to get it!

[Jason]

Here's an idea for a radical outreach. You know what I did today Ms. Crazypants? I went to a home for abandoned, abused and neglected children with a group from church and did some needed upkeep on their buildings. Yeah, ministering to the needs of the LIVING!

[Christy]

I saw this video a while back. How do you ask delicately if you can try to raise someone from the dead? The young lady seems very zealous, but her experiences aren't biblically sound. Her zeal seems to be more about the miracle than God's glory.

[eeellama]

Unfortunately, there is more of this kind of stuff on the Extreme Prophetic website if you find their video archive. I remember watching Patricia King say we should practice raising the dead using roadkill.

Patricia qualifies as the "Madame Cleo" of the church. Maybe more precisely her name should be "Jezebel" and we should not tolerate her whatsoever.

We have some local churches who have fully embraced this kind of thing. My own son was caught up in it for a short time when we visited one of these churches. The excitement of the place concealed the rotten doctrine that was the foundation. My son has had great difficulty with his faith after being let down so much by one of these churches. (Pray for him)

To the owner of this blog: Keep it up. The church needs to be aware of the cancer that is eating it it, and to be motivated to act to break fellowship with those who teach such heresies.

[Jack]

Isn't this what the Bible calls (and condemns as) necromancy? Maybe the next thing for these charismaniacs will be to recommend the morgue as a place to meet the opposite sex.

[ncgal55]

Let me get this straight. Should I go before the embalming or after? Maybe if I go after cremation I could really be famous and have my own video.

[Jim Pierce]

Couldn't they practice on small dead animals first? Maybe road kill?

I'm still trying to lift my jaw off my desk!

[Michael]

Seeing them follow this trash, along with apostate Christianity, it is quite easy to see how "the world wonders after the beast" when that time comes to take the "666" MOB.

They were ignorant to follow Hitler, people are just as ignorant today, and will continue to be so, even many who call themselves "Christians". Those who are NOT fundamantalist Christians are not Christians at all (I say it like it is, if it offends you, so be it).

[walksbyf8h]

"a violent spirit"?!?! I'm afraid to ask how much worse it's going to get.

[flying_snow]

Wa~! Now raising the Dead?! Does that mean that you can get your relatives out from Hell? Preach the Gospel and let them go dead again to go to heaven?

So sad... so sad...

[Barb]

Apparently it's harder than it sounds, to let the dead bury their dead . . .

[Raspberry Grace]

Oh boy.. I thought I had seen it all, but this is whacked.

The girl sounds almost like some kind of waynes world/religious type spoof.

How sad that it's true.

[MentalChick]

While I do see that this practice is extreme and bizarre, I want to point out what this really stems from...

When an individual is brought into the church and begin to read the bible, immediately you are confronted with the miraculous. Jesus' ministry is filled with point after point of words of knowledge, healing, miraculous provision and prophecy. From Genesis to Revelation, the Bible reveals to us a God of miracles, active in the well being of His children and present among them. Now look at the modern day church, where division rules on whether or not God does any of it, or some of it but highly debated and contested as to whether He really even needs to DO those things anymore.

Now, look at our television, radio and other forms of media. We are inundated with ghost hunters, psychics, magicians and other "marvel makers" of all forms. Most people know and accept that there is another "side" or realm of existence where the unexplainable happens and they want to understand and experience it.

These are simply people who have taken a bit of truth and ran in the wrong direction with it for hunger's sake. What I find so unbelievable are the types of comments I have seen regarding these people' misplaced theology. Such sarcasm and vicious comments! Rather than bringing these people to a knowledge of the truth, you are turning them from the very God they are so desperately seeking.

[Bill]

This intrigues me. But I am wondering...If I raised them from the dead, would I have to give back the money I made preaching for their funerals?

[Rev. Jonathan C. Watt]

Yikes! This is really disturbing!

[Brad Mason]

What a wicked generation of people, those who need signs and wonders to believe. blessed are those who have NOT seen but have believed. Faith is just that. This "outreach" ministry is reaching out to the dead because the living do not want to hear the idiotic garbage these people are spewing.

Did not the rich man die and go to hell. His request was to return to warn his family of this terrible place. He was refused. As long as I walk this planet I will not doubt the power of a living God, but the ignorance of man must always fall into question.

[Dale Gehris]

And I think we can all track this back to puppet ministry. :-6

[Barb]

God bless you for your compassion, level head, and courage to speak out, MentalChick. These people need guidance, not sarcasm. Perhaps not the ones heading it up - they may know full well what they're doing - but the hungry, misguided people who flock after them. They're starving for a touch of the miraculous in their barren lives, with no one to tell them what the real miracle is - deliverance from the permanence of death, sins truly forgiven, and the peace that can be found in a life truly submitted to God's will.

[cy]

Is this Gilda Radner raised from the dead?

[Deborah]

Oh Barb, stop getting all googly-eyed every time there's a poster who disagrees with a majority of the posters and stands up for "tolerance". Look, I was one of those sincerely misguided folks hungry for the supernatural. Me and Patricia King were thisclose, but closer (I worked her book table whenever she came into town, and called her at her home on occasion) and I knew all her fellow nut jobs (Jim Gall, Rick Joyner, et all). When I was one of her faithful, I did NOT want to be kindly told that I was sincere, but sincerely wrong. I would have called you every name under the sun, tried to rebuke your religious spirit, called you a pharisee, you know, the whole gammit.
It was because of evangelists like Ray Comfort who, because they don't necessarily make it a point to speak out against false teachers but instead preach the true gospel, that I got saved out of that group. Making fun of Patricia King makes me feel like I get my come-uppance a little.
And if you think my joy is complete, you have to understand that my younger sister lives at the Kansas City International House of Prayer with all the false prophets, and my youngest sister is leaving for Rick Joyners "school of ministry" next Sunday for a year of heresy. I get to hear at least once a week that I am unloving, divisive, a pharisee, and that I have a religious spirit. It breaks my heart, but we cannot stop fighting for the faith, ONCE delivered to the saints.
And I hope that both you and I can continue to give guidance and not sarcasm to the faces of these misguided believers, even if I want to give them cheeky sarcasm. I'll keep doing it behind their back though, if you don't mind.
;)

[tom harvey]

I SEE DEAD PEOPLE!!!!
the funny thing is...she couldn't find dead people and i just spent 7+ minutes of my time watching at least 2 that qualify.
they just don't get it....
though there are similarities, the miracle of converstion is far greater than the miracle of a resurected dead person.
the dry bones of Ezekiel is a great reference for this point.

[Barb]

I'm not googly-eyed, Deborah. I happened to agree with MentalChick, and I'm rather heartened whenever I see someone in this world who possesses a dollop of compassion. I've never known much of that to be going around.

I'm sorry you've been so traumatized by your past experiences, but you need to realize that you can't control what other people do just because you don't like it. And I hope I'm never in need of your help - the last thing I need is guidance from someone who's making snarky comments behind my back.

[Deborah]

Barb, not YOUR back, THEIR'S... oh nevermind.

One question, though. I would assume you mean my sisters when you say I can't control what other people do just because I don't like it? Yes, I know. I couldn't control my mom, getting her to a specialist on time to catch the cancer that ravenged her body while she waited feverishly for a healing, attending at least 3 big conferences a month, traveling as far as Buffalo NY to get prayer from Benny Hinn.
It is because of loosing my mom, that I will in turn beg, plead, crying on hands and knees to get my sisters to see the error of their beliefs. I would be expected to do it if they were heroin addicts, or prostitutes, would I not? Maybe their false doctrine won't kill them today or tomorrow, but it only took my mom 10 years of giving money to TBN for her to loose her life.
This isn't about some vendetta I have against these people, but I don't trust them with my sister's lives, that's all. If that isn't compassion, please school me in the true meaning.

[Kairos]

Barb, I completely disagree with you. These people need to be mocked and ridiculed the same way that Elijah mocked the prophets of Baal. By mocking them we inoculate thousands from this disease and cancer in the church. These people won't listen to reason. They are blind and lost and bound for hell. But, we may be able to expose their folly and turn people away from listening to this stupidity!

[Barb]

I didn't think you were making snarky comments behind MY back. What I meant was, if your way of helping someone is to offer guidance to their face and sarcasm when their backs are turned . . . I for one don't need that kind of "Christian love," and I think the people you ARE being sarcastic about would agree with me!

[MentalChick]

Kairos:

I guess I missed the "doctrine of sarcasm" that you teach in Jesus' ministry? When it came to the lost, even those who were to hang Him on the cross, he wept over them. Now for the Pharisees and those who claimed they could see, he was relentless and brutal in truth...but sarcasm? Sure Elijah mocked the prophets of Baal, but these were LEADERS, people who claimed they had the truth.

My comments were directed at the lost who have found themselves wrapped in this mess. Jesus said:

John 9:39-41
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
(KJV)

Those who follow after this false teaching are lost, without vision and there IS hope for them...but maybe not if we follow your method of reaching the lost...conversion through sarcasm.

MentalChick

[walksbyf8h]

Barb,
Again - I ask you for scripture to support your opposition to the comments made here. This is my second request to you. I think it reasonable to ask for a response since every comment that I've read of yours tears down biblical Christians and their reaction to heresy and blasphemy. Whether you like my comments or not, is moot. My issue is that you disparage my Sisters and Brothers in Christ Jesus, repeatedly.

The last numbers that I read are that over 55,000 Christians are killed per year for Jesus Christ. I've seen reports of over 100,000 Christians per year. They were killed, in most cases, for taking a stand for Biblical Christianity. The comments of those who agree with the Curator's position, are in support of what the Bible teaches us about what is acceptable in or for the Body of Christ. Where I have noted disagreement, it is reasoned out and scripture is used. If this is not the case, they are just toss off their blurb and move on.

The Curator is correct in posting what he finds as the Body of Christ is to be aware of Satan's attacks on the Church. What they look like and the outcome of positions, trends, and bright ideas that are brought into a Church without first holding it up to scripture.

I have no problem with the unsaved opposing the Body of Christ, that's what they do. But if a christian is going to oppose Christians, the Word of God is the referee. For a christian to attack/disparage The Word, our Lord, or Christians is not to be put up with.

It is my opinion, that if you cannot use your bible to explain your disagreement, without disdain and condescension toward my Siblings, it would be best for you to be silent. Your posts that I have read to this point are simply divisive and smug. Though you could have a valid point in the flesh, it's doesn't matter one bit if it does not align with scripture.

If you cannot or will not answer, I will understand that you're most likely a tare. Please answer. Thank you.

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Hi MentalChick,
You lost me there:
"My comments were directed at the lost who have found themselves wrapped in this mess. Jesus said:

John 9:39-41
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
(KJV)"

That scripture is directed to the Pharisees. Could you explain your position because I think I disagree, but again, your response is unclear. What it looks like is that you just plopped that scripture in. So, before I respond, I'd like to be sure I understand, scripturally, how you come to the position submitted.

The first understanding is that being nice is not being kind.
Thanks! :-)

[MentalChick]

Using mockery to save the lost is NOT effective. That was the gist of my post. The point in using the scripture reference that I did was this:
1. The Pharisees were the religious leaders of their day
2. When Jesus offered them sight they said "we can see"
3. These are the people Jesus dealt harshly with not the people who had followed them.

Mockery was employed by Elijah at Mt. Carmel right before he personally slaughtered all the prophets of baal to emphasis the foolishness of the false god, however, Elisha was mocked by a group of youths for his baldness and they were devoured by bears! Unless you have spiritual discernment regarding these matters, you should be very careful with your tongue! James 3 and the book of Proverbs has MUCH to say about this matter.

In regard to your last statement: "the first understanding is that being nice is not being kind" The Bible says: Romans 2:4

Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the KINDNESS of God leads you to repentance? NAS version (emphasis mine)

To ensure that you understand that I am not misquoting scripture, that segment referenced deals with those with a condemning or critical spirit. It is something we all (including me) must be careful to attend to. Being kind isn't always being nice, DEPENDING on your application. It hurts to clean a wound, it's not a nice feeling, but it is the kindness of the doctor, out of care and concern for his patient, that drives him to do it.

I'll not post more on this topic as I feel I've more than explained my position.

MentalChick

[walksbyf8h]

Perhaps the Curator will clear this up - my understanding of this blog is that it is for the Body of Christ. Not the unsaved. If that is the case, then getting upset about the comments makes no sense.

[Barb]

walksbyf8h, I really don't care what you think of me. It's what God thinks of me that matters. And as MentalChick points out, God never once recommened a sarcastic approach. There are times that clever wit and mockery are employed to refer to idolatrous practices, especially in the Old Testament, but in dealing with indivuals who had committed terrible sins, Jesus always welcomed them, as individuals, with compassion, love, and, yes, judgment, but in a straightforward way that still managed to be compassionate.

And this blog has done plenty to tear down some brothers and sisters in Christ. It was this blog that started attacking first, not me.

Feel free to call me whatever you want, if it makes you feel better.

[C.H.]

I think the "violent spirit" she talks about comes from Matthew 11:12:

"And from the days of John the baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force." (KJV) or in NIV "... the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it."

I am not saying i agree with what extreme prophetic does, or believes... just that the idea of being violent spiritually is biblical. Although, being violently spiritual looks a lot different than being physically violent. Peace, patience, kindness and gentleness are the fruits of the holy spirit, who is also called our "sword."

I've had to think a lot about Todd Bentley and the ministries connected with him. He struck me as a false prophet, but i also wanted to be careful not to call something from God, demonic. It is my opinion and conviction that they are wrong. Maybe their initial desire to serve God, turned into serving an idol that brought them fame and excitement, the miraculous. I believe without a doubt that God can do signs and wonders but i agree wholeheartedly with Tom Harvey when he said that conversion, making the spiritually dead, live, is much greater of a miracle than raising the physically dead.

Even though i think that all the true instances of raising the dead, healing, fire from heaven, provision, speaking in tongues, stopping the sun in the sky, trips to heaven etc. etc. are amazing, seriously awesome.. They are nothing but tools to show God's glory, to bring us closer to him, and for true conversion.

I work for a ministry, and i admit, it is not perfect. There are always going to be flaws in an organization run by people, even people trying to serve God with all there hearts (look at yourself, are you perfect yet?). But when a ministry such as Todd Bentley's speaks hours on miracles but fails to mention the cross or repentance, I fear that they do not understand God's will, His character, or even the miracles they are so fond of.

Barb and mentalchick, i do understand where you are coming from. The bible does say to speak out against false prophets, but the bible is very clear that we must do this, well do anything out of love.

"If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."
1 corinthians 13:1-2

I know i have caught myself voicing my opinions, even ones that are biblical, from some other motive than love. I can't judge the motives and hearts of the people commenting on this board, but if any of you really want to make a difference in the lives of false prophets, or people who may be mislead by them, be careful that you truly do it out of love. It is a very noble thing to stand up for God's word, but if you "have not love" you are doing nothing to help anyone.

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 1 cor. 13:4-7

This is a very, maybe overly, quoted verse... Notice that to rejoice in truth and to protect is definitely loving, but if it is proud or boastful, it is not done out of love. None of us can judge each other's hearts, but we can judge our own.

By the way... I have some questions about faith, maybe you guys can help me. I tend to over examine things, anyways. Can we really have faith that God WILL heal someone, or that He is ABLE to heal someone? I know we can have complete faith that He will fulfill his promises such as providing for us if we seek him first etc. But, correct me if I'm wrong, God never said if anyone is physically sick, i WILL heal them. But then Jesus said that if we have faith as small as a mustard seed we can move mountains... so yeah.. i'm just a little confused.. maybe someone could shed some light? What exactly can we have faith in?

[Howard]

Barb You know the truth theres religious devils here that lovve to fight and accuse other Christians,, and they dont lift a finger to fight the real enemy. bunch of religious hypocrites!

[Howard]

Oh ya have you hypocrites here ever heard of a man named Lazurus who was dead for 3 days when Jesus healed him?? Jesus said we will do greater works remember. Satans the accuser of the bretehren and peeopl here are upt to same thing!

Revelation 12:10

[Christy]

C.H., I'll just throw my 2 cents worth in here. I have full confidence that God CAN heal. He's the Lord God, totally sovereign and fully omnipotent. He can do anything He pleases to do, and nothing is impossible to Him (Matt. 17:21 and 19:26, Luke 1:37, Jeremiah 32:17, etc.) The question is if it's His will. According to Mark's gospel (ch 14), Jesus prayed in the garden that all things are possible for God, then He prayed that the cup be taken from Him, if it is His will. The answer was no, since He had to drink the cup all the way down for our salvation. If it is His will, even resurrection from the dead isn't impossible for Him. If it's not His will, all the praying in the world won't bring it about. We can have faith that He is ABLE, but we can't be sure that He's willing to heal the person in this life, though if that person is a believer, that person will have healing, even if not here on earth.

[MentalChick]

C.H.

If it is God's will for you to be sick, why are you taking medicine to get rid of what God has given you? I know that sounds harsh, but when it gets right down to the brass tacks of the matter, that is what it amounts to. Where does it ever say that Jesus did NOT heal ALL who came to Him?

When it comes to healing, you can pray for the individual and stand in faith with them, but it up to the recipient and their relationship with the Lord, i.e., their faith, to make them whole. God's promises are yeah and amen, there for all, and not biased based on the individual. If that were the case, He would not be a just and righteous God. That would make Him a God that favors some and ignores others...this is not the God I worship, love and read devotedly about.

So, some would ask, what about a child born with an illness, etc. Well, what about the blind man born blind? It was to the glory of God that he DID recieve his sight. There are a lot of "what if's" people use when it comes to whether or not healing is in God's word. However, being a recipient of God's miraculous healing in my life more than once and a testimony from my dear husband's family of multiple accounts of healing, I can tell you that God has never, ever told me I must suffer an illness or disease because it was not in His plan for me.

Blessings to you,
MentalChick

[C.H.]

Christy and MentalChick,

Thanks for replying.. I'm usually the one giving the word of God (I'm a children's pastor) It's really nice to hear the word of God from other strong Christians.

I've had a few friends who were sick and actually died from cancer. Everyone around them prayed fervently for them to be healed, but near the end they seemed to have a lot of peace about it. Weird as it sounds, they were (as far as I knew) 2 of the most faithful people i have ever known. Faithful to God in every area, and always bringing people to Christ. Their deaths have brought countless people that I know (including myself) closer to God. The way they lived their lives and handled their coming deaths convicted me into changing big parts of my life. It seems to me that their deaths were actually a good thing, not the result of a lack of faith.

I'm just going to say this again to clarify, i believe with all my heart that Jesus healed and God heals today. I have no doubt that God can and does preform amazing miracles.

[Jude]

Mental Chick,
"When it comes to healing, you can pray for the individual and stand in faith with them, but it up to the recipient and their relationship with the Lord, i.e., their faith, to make them whole."

I'm not quite sure if that is according to scripture:
Matthew 8:5-13
Now when Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, pleading with Him, saying, “Lord, my servant is lying at home paralyzed, dreadfully tormented.”
And Jesus said to him, “I will come and heal him.”
The centurion answered and said, “Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed. For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.[/i]

Matthew 9:18-26
[i]While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.” So Jesus arose and followed him, and so did His disciples.
And suddenly, a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years came from behind and touched the hem of His garment. For she said to herself, “If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well.” But Jesus turned around, and when He saw her He said, “Be of good cheer, daughter; your faith has made you well.” And the woman was made well from that hour.
When Jesus came into the ruler’s house, and saw the flute players and the noisy crowd wailing, He said to them, “Make room, for the girl is not dead, but sleeping.” And they ridiculed Him. But when the crowd was put outside, He went in and took her by the hand, and the girl arose. And the report of this went out into all that land.[/i]

Also, Lazarus being brought up from the dead because of Mary and Martha and so many more examples.

There are countless examples of those who had faith in Christ were healed but there are also examples of those being healed because of others faith in Christ. I don't know if those who were healed had faith themselves, I'm just reading the passage as it was written.

[JJ]

King's claims that people are violating copyright laws are FALSE!!!! She cannot make you take the videos down if it has been publically posted on YouTube and you adequately acknowledge where the video came from.